Talk:Camus Cross

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The article doesn't have nearly enough of them for GA at present - hogback for example, and for such a small subject much more use should be made of Laing's extended discussion. Just saying there are similarities doesn't help the reader much if you don't say what they are. Johnbod (talk) 01:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks... I'll make some improvements over the next few days.Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 11:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Belated comments: For GA the lead I think needs to be longer, and more context on Scottish crosses might be needed. Otherwise it looked fine on a quick read-through. Johnbod (talk) 01:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Hold for now~~... I now have a copy of the Registrum de Panmure which has Maule's original description of the cross... it seems Alexander Gordon was 'paraphrasing' fairly heavily and I'll have to rewrite that section.Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 20:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On the west syde heirof thear is ane Croce of stone callit Camstone croce, neir wnto the quhilk, Camus capitaine of the Danes, efter the Battel of Barrie, fleinge northwardis towardis Murraie, quhar the rest of Danes wer, wes slane, quha geawe the nem to the towne quhilk is distant fra the place quhar the battel wes foughten thre myles. This victorie against the Danes wes obtenit about the zeir of God ane thowsand and ten zeiris. The croce standis southe and northe, sa the bread syd thear of the ane to the east and the wther to the west; that syd quhilk lowkes to the east is dewydit be mwllers of steane in thre stages; the firs and hiest part quharof is the portrait of ane man, rudlie vroght in reasit work, at the southe arme quharof as apperis, the figure of ane fowle, to the quhilk the handis neir; the second sectione or stage hes tua pourtraits of men lyk to the first, vithe the forme of ane quadrat or four noket breist plat on thear breist, lyk wnto that quhar withe Moses is painted, in the quhilk wes ingrawen the nems of the tuel tribes of Israel, and lykuayes the lawest and thrid rank efter the sam maner. On thear heads thay heawe clos bonnets twrnand hard thearto, quhilk appeirandly is Moses representine the lawe befor the cominge of Christ, and thearfor ar set towardis the east as representine the begininge and infancie of the world; then on the west syd in the first rank and hiest is the Crucifix. opposit to Moses, signifiinge the latter dayes to approche and the declyninge age. In the second rank wnder the Crucifix ane man on hors bak, lyand bak owir, drawand ane bowe, the head of the arrowe wery grytm that it semes rather to be ane bolt then arrowe, albeit the bowe dois rather appeir to be ane hand bow nor cros bowe. In the lawest and thrid rank tehar is only the draught of ane floure, weil done, wpone aa rud ane stone. On the southe and northe sydes of the sam, quhar the croce is mor narrowe, ane prettie work efter the forme that browdinsters do vse, and fra the Croce the space of fourscor passes thear is ane lawe callit the Dwrlawe, and thearby ane wther heape lyand west thearfra. It is thought thear wor swme of the Danes slane thear, quha did flea in companie with Camus. Not far thearfra in the bank of Camstone, the zeir of God Im fywe hundrethe nyntie and aught zeiris, thear wos ane greawe fownd withe ane bread stone on eury quarter thearof efter the forme of ane malt cobile, quharin did ly the heale bons of ane man of gryt statwre, the thee bone quharof ves neir als longue as bothe the schank and thee bone of any reasonable man of this age, the harne pan gryte, and vanted the palme bread of ane hand thearof, quhilk had beine the straik as appeirithe of ane sword, it wes thought to heawe beine Cames the cheif mans bwriel.

Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 22:25, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article stability

This article appears to be stable now.Catfish Jim & the soapdish 16:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ealdgyth - Talk 14:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be reviewing this article shortly. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
need page numbers or links to pages for a couple of citations
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

General comments:

~~The Allen & Anderson ref needs a page number~~
~~Kindly spell out abbreviations such as HMSO in the refs, not everyone is going to know it means "Her/His Majesties Stationary Office".~~
~~Likewise, need a page number for the Walker and Maule refs~~
~~What is the Commissary Maule? Do we have an article on this?~~
~~Link for Downie Hills?~~
Just those few things above, and it's good to go. I took the liberty of copyediting as I reviewed.

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added "Her Majesty's Stationary Office" in parenthesis after HMSO, as HMSO is the more usual form. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 09:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Commissary Maule was Robert Maule, a member of the Maule family who held the barony of Panmure. He was Commissary of St Andrews. He is usually refered to in the older literature as Commissary Maule rather than Robert Maule, but this appears to have originated in the Registrum de Panmure as a means to differentiate him from the many other Robert Maules mentioned in it. For the purposes of this article, it is sufficient to state that he was an antiquarian. There will be an article on him eventually, it's on my to-do list. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 09:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've created a stub article for Downie Hills. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 10:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still need a page number for the Walker ref... otherwise looks good. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay... I'm about 6000 km from my copy of that book... give me until Sunday Catfish Jim & the soapdish 19:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No worries at all. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done... p138 Catfish Jim & the soapdish 21:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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